20 July 2004 @ 10:34 am
not that most of you care, but ...  
I have some thoughts on this widely-discussed story, about the bizarre animal roaming the Maryland suburbs. Go click it. There are pictures.

But before all you cryptozoologists wet your pants with glee, I'd like point out the following: not terribly long ago in Florida there was a rash of sightings of similar creatures ... which turned out to be, against all odds, mangy bears. Literally. Bears with mange. Baldy McBald, mayors of Baldsville. They look really weird. See?



I think it's very likely that the "hyote" of Maryland is probably a young bear with a nasty itch [edit: or possibly, as one alert reader suggested, a large red fox]. By the sounds of things, he/she's not dangerous ... but could probably use some help.

I don't know.
I've been wrong before, but it's worth a thought.


 
 
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Caution: Biohazard[info]suffocated on July 20th, 2004 07:44 am (UTC)
the "hyote" tag seems pretty fair...maybe it's just a cross-bred mutt.
Thylacine Queen[info]arkady on July 20th, 2004 07:46 am (UTC)
And that's precisely what that is: a juvenile brown bear with really bad mange. Poor thing. Looks as if she hasn't been feeding too well; I guess a can of cat food a day doesn't go far to feed a growing bear.
Addison and Steele are Pining for the Fjords[info]cmpriest on July 20th, 2004 07:49 am (UTC)
i'm glad to read that people aren't freaking out about it; and no one seems averse to feeding it.
here's hoping she does okay.
Alaskan Explorer[info]northrngirl on July 20th, 2004 07:56 am (UTC)
The animal in question though in the photos has a tail and a fairly long one at that. Brown bears do not have tails last time I checked. And living in Alaska, I see enough of them on a regular basis to never have seen one with a tail. :)
Lilith[info]tanthe on July 20th, 2004 12:43 pm (UTC)
Who knows what they're hiding under all that fur they usually have ;)

Animals can look quite weird without their fur. It's head definitely looks like that of a bear, same broad long snout and stuff.
Alaskan Explorer[info]northrngirl on July 20th, 2004 12:45 pm (UTC)
I can see some resemblance in the facial features/cranium build to a bear, but the neck and shoulder structure is way off. The neck is too long in this case. For either a black bear or brown. :)
Addison and Steele are Pining for the Fjords[info]cmpriest on July 20th, 2004 08:31 am (UTC)
another alert reader has emailed the news station that ran the story, with links and suggestions along these lines. hopefully the poor thing will get some help ... and like i said, at least people aren't shooting at it or anything.
(Anonymous) on July 29th, 2004 10:05 am (UTC)
hyote
Do bears have tails?
Thylacine Queen[info]arkady on July 29th, 2004 11:08 am (UTC)
Re: hyote
Yes, they do.
[info]flutterby_gal on July 20th, 2004 07:49 am (UTC)
looks like a mangy hyena.
Addison and Steele are Pining for the Fjords[info]cmpriest on July 20th, 2004 07:50 am (UTC)
but in maryland?
more likely a bear, i bet.
[info]flutterby_gal on July 20th, 2004 07:51 am (UTC)
Oh I based this on the web page pics. Now that I see yours, it looks like an undernourished mangy baby bear.
Sionainn[info]sionainn on July 20th, 2004 09:33 am (UTC)
The web page pics and the pic that [info]cmpriest posted were two different strange animals.

The "hyote" is the one on the web page. The baby bear with mange is the picture she posted.

:-)
The Dead Sea Squirrel[info]sandyleeann on July 20th, 2004 07:52 am (UTC)
poor animal. it looks pitiful.
[info]lousy_timing on July 20th, 2004 07:59 am (UTC)
I agree with the bear theory,
except that I've never seen a bear with a tail that long, either.

Otherwise, yep- bear with mange. Poor baby. :(
[info]waymerich on July 20th, 2004 08:09 am (UTC)
The tail throws off for me to agree with the bear theory but yes I agree it could have mange.
I am wondering if it is a hyena that some one had as an illegal pet that has gotten loose with mange.
Mrs. Christie: *huhs*[info]shineyquarter on July 20th, 2004 08:10 am (UTC)
Perhaps it is a hyena escaped from somewhere. Honestly I have never seen that kind of tail on a bear. I wonder if any zoos or anything like that is missing him. Or maybe it is someone who had it illegally and so won't report it missing.

The tail just doesn't say bear to me.
Addison and Steele are Pining for the Fjords[info]cmpriest on July 20th, 2004 08:15 am (UTC)
that's what we all said about the black bears in the ocala national forest; but they've got those straggly tails - they can't be bears! but that's what happens when they lose all that hair ... tail looks longer. and i think that the fellow roaming around maryland is probably a young 'un.

i may well be wrong; i just thought it was worth checking out.
Mrs. Christie: <agreeable>[info]shineyquarter on July 20th, 2004 08:17 am (UTC)
Well I guess that is true... young bears have longer tails than big bears but that tail is like 18 inches long by the looks of it. And really I am not sure that hyenas have tails that long either.
DarkCryst[info]darkcryst on July 20th, 2004 10:10 am (UTC)
yes, but THAT long? its well over a foot long. Could be, but the face also looks a bit more... doggy.

Certainly a good idea, and sounds like people are letting the right authorities know it :)
Addison and Steele are Pining for the Fjords[info]cmpriest on July 20th, 2004 10:16 am (UTC)
as one alert reader suggested, maybe a large red fox?
i don't know. i just figured mange + ordinary animal = people freaking out, because they're not used to seeing critters without their fur.
Liritar[info]liritar on July 20th, 2004 08:25 am (UTC)
I went ahead and emailed that news station where this article is. I told them about your theory and provided the FL link too. hopefully they'll pass on the info, or they'll email me with contact info for Glyndon.
Addison and Steele are Pining for the Fjords[info]cmpriest on July 20th, 2004 08:28 am (UTC)
thank you very much!
i might be wrong, in fact the odds are rarely with me when i speculate like this, but i think it's a reasonable theory. i was very glad to read that people weren't freaking out about the animal, and were leaving it in peace.
nadmonk[info]nadmonk on July 20th, 2004 08:52 am (UTC)
Hard to tell the size, but I could easily see it being a mangy coyote, since they can be pretty tame if around people, like the coyote population in L.A. and will eat just about anything (like cat food).
Elf[info]lilithraevyn on July 20th, 2004 08:59 am (UTC)
If bears have tails, then I could see it being a bear with mange. I'm surprised no one has given that as a theory in their area already. Then again, I guess living in Florida and hearing about them last year... I have a little more insight. Never heard of a hairless bear before then.

It's shoulder/head area resemble a hyena, but really - the hind legs are FAR too long for that.

The tail is what throws me off.
Baku[info]lord_empathos on July 20th, 2004 09:47 am (UTC)
Looks like a hyena/dingo mix... not very impressive. Besides how mysterious can it be if you can get pictures of it that good? Look at nessie and the ol' Jersey Devil... lol.
Stephanie Arwen Lynch[info]stephanielynch on July 20th, 2004 09:52 am (UTC)
Think red fox with mange and I think you have your answer.
Addison and Steele are Pining for the Fjords[info]cmpriest on July 20th, 2004 10:07 am (UTC)
ooh - also a good idea.
i just thought the mange + ordinary animal of some variety was the most obvious answer, and the only thing i could think of was the bears in Ocala.
Stephanie Arwen Lynch[info]stephanielynch on July 20th, 2004 11:29 am (UTC)
Compare this shot of a Maryland red fox to these shots of the mystery animal. Ears are the same size, body type is the same, tail is the right length, as well as coloration of the animal's muzzle and remaining fur.

The fact that it is ok around cats and dogs suggests that it could be a domestically raised fox. But I am putting my money on a fox with mange.
Her Royal Flyness[info]vill on July 20th, 2004 10:40 am (UTC)
There was a similar "what in the heck is that" story from near Greensboro, NC that I posted in my journal a while back. It's since been moved to the Greensboro News & Record's archives, so I can't point you to it...but a hairless fox was one of the theories.
Medicated Drama Queen[info]valkyrii on July 20th, 2004 11:10 am (UTC)
From the pictures, it looks like a mangy fox or a very sick stray dog to me. I've seen dogs get so ill with skin diseases that they barely resemble their healthy selves at all.

Either way, it's apparently not well. :-(
[info]honeyspy on July 20th, 2004 03:29 pm (UTC)
Is it just me or does that look like Prof. Lupin in the Prisoner of Azkaban? It looks like they pasted a bear's head on... uh, something unnatural.

train of thought... derailing...
(Anonymous) on July 31st, 2004 11:58 am (UTC)
NOT A BEAR
I disagree about the whole bear thing!! I think there is maybe and escaping hyena and there is one main zoo in maryland in baltimore cause I live 45 mins away from there! I think it kinda looks like a hyena and grey hound dog mixed and the only way that it's a hyena is if someone illegally had it or there is an illegal zoo! This animal could be comin near me if I see it or hear more I will post more! It's a very weird looking creature and all and that is my thoughts about it!!! :)
shelie[info]shelie on July 20th, 2004 05:41 pm (UTC)
After looking at the photos, my vote is for an escaped hyena. Any zoos in Maryland?
Addison and Steele are Pining for the Fjords[info]cmpriest on July 20th, 2004 05:41 pm (UTC)
none that are missing any exotic animals.
they already checked that possibility.
(Anonymous) on July 20th, 2004 07:55 pm (UTC)
MD Native
I live in Harford County, Maryland, rather close in fact to Baltimore. I have seen many foxes in my life, skinned ones as well, the Hyote is NO fox. I have also seen a Black Bear (the only ones we have in MD, and they live in Western MD anyways), bears do not have tails that long. It's facial features closely recognize that of a hyena, though obviously does not have the bone structure to be one. It is obviously of canine descent judging by his bone structure, rather than the feline structure associated with foxes. It is a new breed of creature, as more have been discovered, and I hope they move up North! Yay for Hyote's!
Friday[info]horseshoenail on July 20th, 2004 07:54 pm (UTC)
Random reader dropping a comment:

Tough as the pictures are to make out, it appears to me that the critter is digitigrade. Bears are plantigrade.

I vote fox. It's the right size, yes?
[info]lpecac on July 20th, 2004 08:59 pm (UTC)
i agree as far as it being digitigrade, but i think its muzzle is too short and rounded and a bit bigger around than a red foxes. i'm not sure though.

like someone else said, i'm guessing its just a sick, mangy dog.
Addison and Steele are Pining for the Fjords[info]cmpriest on July 21st, 2004 06:04 am (UTC)
i was under the impression it's a bit big to be a fox, but that's my guess too now.
(Anonymous) on July 22nd, 2004 12:12 pm (UTC)
mystery creature. revealed?
I thought I would just point out the obvious. It looks exactly like a Xoloitzcuintli (show-low-eats-queent-lee) or more commonly known as a "mexican hairless" dog. Although it might not be a pure breed im pretty sure it decended from that sort of animal. It shares many characteristics of the Xolo. It is usually seen in broad daylight, Xolos are known to sunbate. It is seen grazing in yards, Xolos are naturally vegetarian. The name "mexican hairless" is really just a general term used to describe the breed. Only a certain percentage of the pups are born hairless (depending on the gene pool), the rest either have full coats of hair, or misplaced/irregular hair growth. The standard Xolo would be capable of reaching sizes of 30-40 lbs.
Contradictions: NO[info]shepardshadows on July 20th, 2004 09:12 pm (UTC)
I WANT ONE :D.

It looks a little like a tasmanian tiger. But they are extinct here ;p
Contradictions: It's Just Evolution Baby[info]shepardshadows on July 20th, 2004 09:16 pm (UTC)
Thylacine, I believe is the scientific name.
[info]spiral_enigma on July 21st, 2004 05:24 am (UTC)
hyote?
Whatever this creature is, it is NOT a "hybrid" of coyote and hyena; coyotes are of the Family Canidae and hyenas are of the Family Hyaenidae. Hyenas are more closely related to mongooses and cats than to dogs. A hybrid animal has two parents of the same Genus but of different species, such as a mule (horse mom Equus caballus and donkey dad Equus asinus) or a coydog (coyote mates with dog, Canis latrans and Canis familiaris).

On a sidenote: while foxes are of the Family Canidae, they are NOT in the Genus Canis, but Vulpes. Foxes are neither cats nor dogs but share common traits of both.
[info]spiral_enigma on July 21st, 2004 05:33 am (UTC)
two more cents worth
Simply from the pictures, my guess is that this is a mongrel dog with a severe case of mange. Being a dog groomer, I have not only seen some serious skin conditions, but some extremely ODD dog breed combinations, sometimes resulting in a dog that does not even look like a dog! Domestic dog genetics are highly complex from generations of breeding for specific types, but if left to mate uncontrolled, dogs begin to "revert" to a common type, a medium sized animal with large bat-like ears, triangular but blunt muzzle, and usually a curled tail. This is the "prototype" dog, which resembles the African Wild Dog quite closely (altho the domestic dog is descended from wolves, not wild dogs). This animal looks a LOT like the Thai Ridgeback, which is a breed that is a "prototype" or "pariah" dog.
(Anonymous) on July 21st, 2004 08:59 pm (UTC)
Re: two more cents worth
I own a dog that's a Chow mix that greatly resembles this so-called unknown critter. Bat-like ears, long tail, large head. Mine has suffered from mange, too. When he had demodectic mange, it made the skin on his face somewhat thickened and wrinkly, causing his head to look even larger.

Since cruel people regularly dump their unwanted pets in the country, I betcha anything it's a dumped dog.
Cheryel Hutton[info]dragon_quill on July 22nd, 2004 07:52 am (UTC)
To me it looks like a boar. {No doubt from Tennessee;)}
(Anonymous) on August 3rd, 2004 10:30 pm (UTC)
it could be a hyena. there are hyenas here in manitoba canada they exaped from a game farm. ive evan seen one. it's definiataly not a bear, or a hyybred of a coyote and a hyena it cant be. or it could be an extremely mangy coyote. ive seen coyotes with no hair before. especially in the winter.