11 October 2005 @ 10:40 am
On Writing, and other Pompously Capitalized Abstractions  
Tonight I have to go read my writing and talk about writing and be a writer doing writery things for other writers, or for people who want to be writers, or people who want to throw squishy produce at writers, whatever. And lately I've seen several good posts on writing workshops, so I've got writing-on-the-brain right now.



That's where this post comes from. It is not in any way aimed at any of my friends or readers, but it refers specifically to my experiences in writers groups and workshops (primarily in academia) over the years -- and, by extension, why I no longer even attempt to join them. I am also exempting the Chattanooga Writer's Guild and its members from this essay, as I've only attended a couple of their meetings; since I was mostly there to socialize, I was none too productive, and I had a lovely time. I don't know the CWG well enough to criticize it; what follows applies only to groups I have regularly been a part of for extend periods.

The vast majority of professional writers I have met in real life and on the internet have been superlatively gracious, kind, and helpful. So this is not about them. (And obviously, if you're a writer on my friends list here, you can safely assume that none of this applies to you.)

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Other Writers

I tend to get along poorly with other writers until I know them well enough to know that they are not the sort of writers who piss me off. This may sound unfair and I'm sure that it is, but I automatically assume that other writers are assholes and that I don't want to meet them. The safest way to introduce me to other writers is to pretend that I'm a cat, being introduced to another cat in close quarters. Stand back. Get the water hose ready in case of emergency. Do not expect the introduction to go very well, and furthermore, be delighted if the encounter ends without blood loss.

And for what it's worth, this is not some nasty new aversion that developed once I got a book published. No, I've never done well in groups of writers -- even when I was sitting at home when I was sixteen, typing out trashy gothic romance novels in WordStar -- and this is due in no small part to the writers groups I've been exposed to over the years. My experiences in workshops, clubs, and gatherings, have been almost uniformly Wagnerian in their bombastic parades of awfulness ... from my wide-eyed days as a high school scribbler straight through graduate school.*

The pinnacle of my hatred was achieved at UTC my final year of M.A. studies; I was dropped into a fiction workshop with a teacher who, by all appearances, hates fiction. If it wasn't about sitting in your grandma's kitchen eating warm cookies fresh out of the oven and discussing your womanhood like a feminine hygiene commercial ... then Ken didn't seem interested in hearing about it. God help you if you were into genre fiction. God help you also if you were a graduate student in this graduate level class -- because out of the 25 people in the class, only 4 of you were grad students. The rest were pretentious undergrads who thought they were the hippest of the hip for crashing this graduate class, only it wasn't a graduate class, apparently, because look at all these freaking sophomores.

At the time, I was working three jobs -- one of which was as a contract teacher of writing level 2 (which is another circle of hell, but I won't digress here on that subject). So you know what I did for a living? I graded shitty undergraduate writing. Then you know what I did at night, as part of my graduate program? I paid UTC for the privilege of grading shitty undergraduate writing ... and in turn being graded by shitty undergraduate writers.

I'm sure that somewhere in the OED there's a long, hilarious adjective for this sort of indignity, but I bet it's hard to spell -- and that it hasn't been in common usage since Sam Johnson tossed it off at a party and Boswell wrote it down on the back of a cocktail napkin.

At any rate, I say all that to say this -- my graduate experience was the final straw, and I have never done a workshop since. And I do not doubt that my terrible workshop experiences have contributed to my general disapproval of writers, which has only avalanched over the years to form the roaring rumble of sweeping dismissal that typically characterizes my interactions with them.

This is not to say, however, that I have no writer friends. I do have writer friends -- in real life, such fine souls as [info]eugie, [info]godlikepoet, and [info]fenrah. Though I've met [info]warren_ellis in person, most of what I know and love about him stems from the internet ... and also in the "internet writer friends" category I include a rather astonishing number of other writer contacts whose daily bloggings I enjoy greatly. But you know what I almost never talk about with any of them? Writing.

Or, if we do talk writing, it's almost always something concrete or mundane, like establishing the Murphy's Laws of Writers. We occasionally exchange personal prescriptions for dealing with writer's block, or our preferred postal carriers, or hints on a new market. We complain about our lack of progress or crow about our excellent progress, but always in general terms that never, ever, EVER feature terms or phrases including (but not limited to) the following: "soul," "fulfillment," or "wept." See, here it is -- any given group of writers is going to be, on average, disproportionately loaded with writers who are there producing prose from their soul, for personal fulfillment, and it almost certainly makes them weep to talk about it (and it makes me weep to hear it -- for altogether different reasons).

This is a booby trap for people who take writing as serious business, because there is no critique, constructive criticism, nor vaguely negative commentary allowed, because you-as-helpful-critic are not permitted to say anything at all about the work without simultaneously discussing the person who wrote it. To even try is a waste of time and brain cells for the entire room.

If it's good ... well, never mind -- you probably won't encounter this. Let's say instead: when it's bad, you're not able to say so. The first defense against criticism is, "But I wrote this from my soul!" Well, your soul is boring, pedantic, and has a pitiable grasp of comma usage. Sorry. But the final bulwark of culpable denial is always this -- "I didn't write it for you, I wrote it for me!" Great. Then why are you subjecting other people to it? Take it home and read it to yourself or to your dog for God's sake, but if this is the result of your spiritual laxative, please don't put it on a cracker and tell us it's caviar.

When writing is business -- even fun writing -- there's a lot more to talk about than just souls and tears. There are actual topics of conversation open to you that will prove both rewarding and entertaining for everyone involved. People who are writing for other people are interested in things other than unblinking navel-gazing. They are interested in creating and producing good stories or content that they want other people to read and enjoy. They are aware that writing is work and that your stories are your product. Though they want them to be good as a matter of personal pride, and they may well engage in silly exercises for their own amusement, they also want to be good because they probably want to sell words someday.

Although their profession or identity as writers is important to them, writing is not the only thing they think about, or talk about, or do. If it was, they would have nothing to write about except for writing, and you can see the black spiraling pit here, can't you? In my experience, the vast majority of them do not read very many books about writing.** They'd rather write.


[edit: here's the 'I feel stupid now' follow up.]



* I felt a special spike of affinity for
[info]the_red_shoes the other day, when she was writing about grad school and writers. So I'll say it again -- good on ya!
** Stop. Read this footnote before commenting with a recommendation. Remember that I have a B.A. in English and an M.A. in writing. If you think, for one second, that I have not read copious, flammable piles of books on writing, you are mistaken. The first person to mention Bird By Bird gets booted from my friends list and banned from this page. I've read it, and it was tolerable; but IMO Anne's best writing instruction by far comes from her other nonfiction. You want to get writing instruction from Anne? Read Operating Instructions. Vastly superior, and has nothing to do with writing except that it's gloriously well-written. Yes, I read Stephen King's On Writing, and I loved it -- but mostly because it's more or less a straightforward biography of him, and he's a funny guy.

 
 
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Edwin Drood: Ouija[info]drood on October 11th, 2005 02:55 pm (UTC)
And obviously, if I've you're a writer on my friends list here, you can safely assume that none of this applies to you.

Whew!

You made me laugh this morning. I wept a little, too. And my soul felt fulfillment. God bless you.
Addison and Steele are Pining for the Fjords[info]cmpriest on October 11th, 2005 03:05 pm (UTC)
Glad I could be part of your morning spiritual enrichment ;-)
[info]lousy_timing on October 11th, 2005 02:59 pm (UTC)
This is why I loves ya.
There are days when I'll sit in writing workshops or bars with writers, and listen to the formulas, or the "how not to" crap, and I want to run. There are writing formulas that work, but lifestyle formulas don't do so for everyone, nor does dictating how "not" to do something.

Additionally, demanding that something you wish to have marketed- which is an act of commercialism- should require no changes or it will scar your baby? Unrealistic. Hang it on your wall and look at it all day, then. If you want money for it, be ready to compromise.
Dini[info]damedini on October 11th, 2005 03:00 pm (UTC)
*giggling madly* I am nothing even resembling a writer and I loathe the sort of people you describe. Mercedes Lackey goes off on them in several of her books and essays very humorously.
Of course, you'll be more and more of a target for them as you become more successful... you need a huge, hunky bodyguard. hell, so do I.
Addison and Steele are Pining for the Fjords[info]cmpriest on October 11th, 2005 03:06 pm (UTC)
I've got [info]moriarty6. He's pretty big and hunky ;-)
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[info]sclerotic_rings on October 11th, 2005 03:05 pm (UTC)
It's funny that you mentioned the innumerable books on writing, because I learned at a very early age that these aren't actual guides: they, and just about everything in any given issue of The Writer and Writer's Digest, are nothing but authorial bukkake on a live studio audience. Of course, these books aren't intended to be bought by real writers, either: they're intended to be bought by unemployed and unemployable secretaries, programmers, and babysitters who figure that they'll be making a six-figure income from writing as soon as they get their first Absolutely Fabulous/Farscape slash fanfic published.
[info]merebrillante on October 11th, 2005 06:13 pm (UTC)
and babysitters who figure that they'll be making a six-figure income from writing as soon as they get their first Absolutely Fabulous/Farscape slash fanfic published.

Hey, I resemble that remark!
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Sanguinity[info]sanguinity on October 11th, 2005 03:05 pm (UTC)
:: Well, your soul is boring, pedantic, and has a pitiable grasp of comma usage. ::

I howled. Absolutely howled.

Yeah, if you're going to write for you, then write for you. Maybe there's a small group of people who are loyal to you who you can talk into showing interest, or a group of soul-writers who can be talked into trading fake-interest in your writing for fake-interest in their writing.

But if you're going to show your writing to anyone else? Better make it worth the time it took to read it. No, let me rephrase that: better make it worth it to them.
[info]sclerotic_rings on October 11th, 2005 03:17 pm (UTC)
I've actually run into this behavior at science fiction conventions, with the writer (if actually published, only through the Writers of the Future) passing out chapbooks or photocopies of a particular story and then insisting that the person receiving it read it right then and there before giving comment. If said comment was anything less than ecstatic, Writer then screams "But I didn't write it for YOU!" before running off in tears. So you hit everyone in the time zone with something you intended to write solely for yourself: doesn't that qualify as intellectual pollution or littering or something? Or do you just want a partner for masturbation, to steal from David Gerrold?
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(a)spera[info]faithhopetricks on October 11th, 2005 03:10 pm (UTC)
Solidarity sistah!

The first defense against criticism is, "But I wrote this from my soul!" Well, your soul is boring, pedantic, and has a pitiable grasp of comma usage.

DAMN, that needs to be on a T-shirt. Cafepress, stat!

....and OMG, I have absolutely no time for people who can't separate themselves from their writing. When I look at someone's piece, I might suggest they lop off the first five pages, add ten more, move section 3 in front of section 2, put section 5 first, or whatever. It's all in good fun. And you know, I think sometimes I tend to make pretty good suggestions. But from the horrified looks I get you would think I had suggested hunting fuzzy baby bunnies with ferrets.

Also, somewhere in the OED there's a long, hilarious adjective for this sort of indignity, but I bet it's hard to spell -- and that it hasn't been in common usage since Sam Johnson tossed it off at a party and Boswell wrote it down on the back of a cocktail napkin was the neatest sentence I've read all week.

....you know, I liked the "C.V." parts of King's book a lot more than the this-is-how-you-write, Death-to-adverbs! parts -- esp the parts where he talked about creativity and addiction, cause, well. (TMI alert, whop whop whop whop....) It reminded me of how [info]docbrite said recently she thought there was more good stuff about writing in Misery than in most how-to-write books.
[info]sclerotic_rings on October 11th, 2005 03:24 pm (UTC)
You ain't kidding about Misery being a great guide to writing...especially when you discover that you've married Annie Wilkes, and she's doing everything she can to keep you from writing. It'd make a great horror novel, but only for other writers all too familiar with the situation.
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Jewelweed[info]jewelweed on October 11th, 2005 03:16 pm (UTC)
You and [info]the_red_shoes have both made me feel more validated more not-alone than I have felt in a long, long time. Thank you, thank you for posting this. You are (both) da bomb. Whooooa... now I can cheerfully get back to my writing. :-)
Empress of Elvis [Costello] Impersonators: appreciative[info]ms_violet on October 11th, 2005 03:23 pm (UTC)
"please don't put it on a cracker and tell us it's caviar."
I feel your pain, and I feel your pain deeply because... oh, never mind, you know. oh, is tonight the night I get to moderate my playwrights' group through an adaptation of someone else's adaptation of someone else's 1926 drawing room comedy?
(head thinking against desk repeatedly)
a long, hilarious adjective for this sort of indignity
Sisyphean? Just throwing it out there.
Empress of Elvis [Costello] Impersonators: Eddie[info]ms_violet on October 11th, 2005 03:28 pm (UTC)
Sorry "head bonking against desk." Why did I write thinking?
Marisa(you can't use that to trace me, hah!)[info]lokmarie on October 11th, 2005 03:23 pm (UTC)
Here here! this is why I was hesistant to go into English-people like that. It's nice to know that there is hope left for the world!

And I have to strongky agree that the best type of writing instruction is prose writing.
Empress of Elvis [Costello] Impersonators[info]ms_violet on October 11th, 2005 03:27 pm (UTC)
p.s. "but I wrote this from my SOUL!"
I once saw a playwright at a talkback after her reading of a pedantic boring play. She said that she wanted an audience of "worthy collaborators" for her plays, meaning that if you couldn't understand or enjoy her plays, you shouldn't go and see them, and that only her worthy collaborators should see her work.

I wish I'd gotten up and walked out right then saying, "I just realized, I'm not worthy."
Addison and Steele are Pining for the Fjords[info]cmpriest on October 11th, 2005 03:50 pm (UTC)
Re: p.s. "but I wrote this from my SOUL!"
Haha! preach it ;-)
We all want worthy peers, but sometimes one's expectations are a bit high in that regard.
Jewelweed[info]jewelweed on October 11th, 2005 03:29 pm (UTC)
Oh and the only thing worse than the writer who can't separate her work from her "soul" is the writing instructor who cannot critique your work without assuming that it is all autobiographical. I had a workshop with a poetess who shall go unnamed here who was incapable of any other kind of feedback.

"When did this happen? How long did you live in Greece? That is a Greek Island, isn't it? Huh? You made it up? Oh, do you really go to parties where people do things like this?" Etc.

I feel really strongly that whether or not I am drawing on Autobiographical DetailTM</sup> is irrelevant to the quality of the work. Its called imagination folks! The big question is does it work? are you convinced? Etc.
Addison and Steele are Pining for the Fjords[info]cmpriest on October 11th, 2005 03:49 pm (UTC)
Oh, no KIDDING. And the corollary of that is the problem my workshop teacher seemed to have with genre fiction: it couldn't have possibly happened to you, so it must not be very good writing.

[:: headdesk ::]
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The great and powerful[info]enjae on October 11th, 2005 03:30 pm (UTC)
But the final bulwark of culpable denial is always this -- "I didn't write it for you, I wrote it for me!" Great. Then why are you subjecting other people to it?

I think I just fell in love with you.
Addison and Steele are Pining for the Fjords: all smart and stuff[info]cmpriest on October 11th, 2005 03:48 pm (UTC)
[:: smooch ::]
Woodrow Jarvis Hill[info]asim on October 11th, 2005 03:37 pm (UTC)
Remove "Writers".
Insert "Dancers, Raqs a.k.a. Belly"

Oh yes, I feel your pain. I've suffered through entire nights of dance recitals that I paid top dollar for, retrieving nothing in return but one decent dancers and a ton of beginners with good intentions and horrid execution. Video instructionals by people who couldn't tell you how to make a peanut butter and jelly sandwich, much less how to do one of the most complex and non-intuitive dance forms on the planet. Opinions on dance history taken from "things overheard" and their soulful feeling that Goddesses have blessed this dance specially, and how dare anyone asks them to "prove" it's history in a dispassionate manner.

So, I, and my dance friends, feel you pain most strongly. :)
Addison and Steele are Pining for the Fjords[info]cmpriest on October 11th, 2005 03:48 pm (UTC)
I hear this same mentality applies to any number of creative pursuits ;-)
Nasty Canasta: me[info]cammila_radio on October 11th, 2005 03:40 pm (UTC)
Sorry to crash your journal--I just wanted to chime in that I've always felt the same way. The main problem I have in simply reading a friend's chapter, let alone sitting in some kind of group situation and hearing people read their banal tedium out loud, is that it seems as though every damn writer I meet takes themself and what they've written completely, unnecessarily, and embarrassingly seriously. Imposing that level of whiny or melodramatic emotional intimacy on a reader without spending lots and lots of time providing the story and wit for it to be worth that reader's time is no more artistically relevant than an LJ post about how much a teenager hates their mom.
Addison and Steele are Pining for the Fjords[info]cmpriest on October 11th, 2005 03:48 pm (UTC)
Welcome, crasher ;)
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Mely[info]coffeeandink on October 11th, 2005 03:44 pm (UTC)
WordStar! You fill me with nostalgia. DOS screens. Discs that couldn't fit more than thirty pages of my magnificent adolescent magnum opus, including backup documents. Print-outs on computer paper with punched holes at the sides ...
Addison and Steele are Pining for the Fjords[info]cmpriest on October 11th, 2005 03:47 pm (UTC)
We're so old sk00l!
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Eric Marin[info]ericmarin on October 11th, 2005 03:45 pm (UTC)
What a hilarious post. You reminded me of why I disliked my college creative writing classes so much (and why I chose not to pursue an M.F.A. in creative writing).






Neo_Prodigy[info]neo_prodigy on October 11th, 2005 03:49 pm (UTC)
re: pinnacle of writing hatred
replace ken with jackson and replace fiction with poetry and that was pretty much my writing hell during my stint at utc.

wonderful post by the by.
Jess Nevins[info]ratmmjess on October 11th, 2005 03:54 pm (UTC)
You make me feel lucky, in that my publisher, Chris Roberson, has introduced me to some other writers who've almost all been cool, and we've had good times in bars at conventions, talking about most everything but writing.

On the other hand, I've had some excruciatingly bad experiences at convention panels because of other writers, too.

So...haven't suffered as badly as you have, but I have my scars, too. :-)
robin catesby[info]deedop on October 11th, 2005 03:58 pm (UTC)
::applause::

Back in my more altruistic days, I was president of an entire regional guild of playwrights like that. Oh, those scripts made me weep. So, so heart-wrenchingly real. Well, except for the dialog and the character development and anything resembling a credible plot. I quit after a year, after I realized I'd given up all of my writing time to facilitate readings and productions of plays I'd be too embarrassed to let my cat read with her butt.

Oh, and a hearty ditto on WordStar nostalgia! (Though I can't say that I exactly miss my old Kaypro...)
Sceach C. Blackwolf[info]celtic_tiger on October 11th, 2005 04:02 pm (UTC)
"I quit after a year, after I realized I'd given up all of my writing time to facilitate readings and productions of plays I'd be too embarrassed to let my cat read with her butt."

You've been metaquoted.
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Sceach C. Blackwolf[info]celtic_tiger on October 11th, 2005 04:01 pm (UTC)
"Well, your soul is boring, pedantic, and has a pitiable grasp of comma usage."

Haha no kidding! I still have cold sweat inducing nightmares about my last Creative Writing class. First there was the teacher who thought all horror writing was spank material for people who'd escaped from mental institutions (apparently, I'm in both categories because I write the spank material AND therefore must get off on descriptions of guts and rape) and fantasy was something real writers did on off days as a joke. This woman ripped me up one side and down the other for turning in a fantasy/horror tale. (In her defense, it was quite graphic, but jesus)

As for the whole constructive criticism thing, we had to review everyone else's story in this class. I pride myself on being a fair and honest reviewer, always able to come up with at least one positive comment to balance the negative. I had to review this one kid's story that had absolutely NO redeeming features. I knew I couldn't say that, so I didn't turn in the review.

So, basically, Wordy McWord. I still think writing groups can be great if they're a front for socializing or if they don't degenerate into crappy therapy groups, but good luck on finding one that doesn't.


(and, um, I don't want to get booted from your friend's list, but I did like Bird by Bird. And Operating Instructions. )
[info]merebrillante on October 11th, 2005 04:04 pm (UTC)
Hee! I'm pimping this post. Fair warning.
[info]iagor on October 11th, 2005 04:05 pm (UTC)
(And obviously, if I've you're a writer on my friends list here, you can safely assume that none of this applies to you.)

Heh. My favorite is "I suffered for this! I bled on the page."

Yes, yes. And now we all suffer, darling.

I've once had a really cool guy for my Political Science. One of those younger professors, cynical but not quite yet apathetic and alive enough to actually mutter "fuck" in senior-junior level courses. He said a very smart thing: most undegraduates who consider themselves good writers have never before been properly critiqued. I believe this statement to be true with every iota of my being. American colleges - warning sweeping generalization here - tend to pass people up the levels with relative ease. And then they get to graduate school. And they meet someone who actually gives a real critique, because if you want to help someone improve, it's impossible to offer constructive feedback without hurting them. They go into the room of some like Ms Holtzclaw, who taught freshmen English and grad course in writing fiction. And they come out crying. Literally. I've seen it happen.

None of the writer groups I've ever been in have been usefull for that precise reason. They degenerate into support circles. OWW http://sff.onlinewritingworkshop.com/ works great for me, because at least people they don't sugar coat it.

it's a great life, if you don't weaken: headbang[info]matociquala on October 11th, 2005 04:51 pm (UTC)
I'm an OWW afficionado too, and it's been very helpful for me. It's got its share of praise junkies, of course, but there's also a core of pretty driven semipros, soon-to-be-semipros, and neopros who are very serious about fixing what's wrong with their work.

I think it owes a lot of that to Charlie's insistence that we're there to learn excellence, or get as close to it as we can come.

Other than that, my experiences have been pretty similar to Cherie's. A professor who wanted all of her students to be Black Woman Poets (bit tricky for me, that) and another one who was a Frustrated Writer, and a few face to face workshops that made me decide I'd never attend another one.
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Queenie Tirone[info]queenie_writes on October 11th, 2005 04:06 pm (UTC)
Good rant!

All writers works come from them, but they shouldn't focus souly *pardon the pun* on that. FIne, your work is from within. But why are you writing it? If they wanna write professionally, its for others, not themselves. And if others are gonna read it, then you better know you will get rejection and critiques all the time.

Its part of the game.

You made me realize though I don't have nearly enough critics in my life. XD I mean I have myself, but she's a bit of a bitch. ;) I think my friends are scared to do so, because they don't wanna hurt me. BUT I WANT THEM TO TELL ME! How can I do better if no one points out my mistakes?

Thanks for posting this. It inspired me to get more critics. ;)
Bill the Slam Guy: skellington[info]babbott on October 11th, 2005 10:38 pm (UTC)
You want them to tell you?

Give them a closer statement: "Tell me 5 (or however many) things good about this, and 5 (or however many) things to work on." It'll force their hand.

Just a suggestion.
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Blogito Ergo Sum[info]serene_orange on October 11th, 2005 04:10 pm (UTC)
HAve you read Bye Bird Bye?






oh hush! I am just messing with you. Dig the post. Dig you.
JKT Skinner: studying[info]rethought on October 11th, 2005 04:12 pm (UTC)
I find that even if my writing (which is boring, dry, and horrible material if you're not studying theology, archaeology, or divinity) always has one comma out of place. Those things are the bane of my existence. Every damn time. I think they multiply when sheets of paper are left in stacks.